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	<title>Comments on: New IOF Rules: No more GPS-watches on WRE-events</title>
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		<title>By: The SOLUTION</title>
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		<dc:creator>The SOLUTION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is simple!
Participants with this kind of equipment register it before start. Then officials stick nontransparent sticker on the screen. If it is damaged or removed- participant should be disqualified.

Another option is to allow use this equipment to carry on leg not on wrist position- it will be to uncomfortable to follow screem in this way:)

If there are problem then there are always simple solution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple!<br />
Participants with this kind of equipment register it before start. Then officials stick nontransparent sticker on the screen. If it is damaged or removed- participant should be disqualified.</p>
<p>Another option is to allow use this equipment to carry on leg not on wrist position- it will be to uncomfortable to follow screem in this way:)</p>
<p>If there are problem then there are always simple solution!</p>
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		<title>By: BTG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the best runners in the world started to share the real track they run, the IOF forbids the watch GPS! It&#039;s really sad news for those who want to learn from the elit orienteerers and from their own mistakes.
I have been using a Garmin Forerunner for a couple of years and I never never never found it as an advantage since I would loose more time trying to cheat than reading the map.

I really hope this rule is cancelled!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the best runners in the world started to share the real track they run, the IOF forbids the watch GPS! It&#8217;s really sad news for those who want to learn from the elit orienteerers and from their own mistakes.<br />
I have been using a Garmin Forerunner for a couple of years and I never never never found it as an advantage since I would loose more time trying to cheat than reading the map.</p>
<p>I really hope this rule is cancelled!</p>
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		<title>By: Jagge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All the hints about getting an advantage of GPS watch during an orienteering race are welcome&lt;/i&gt;

Get a Forerunner 205/305. Ask your friend who starts early run with it and take splits at every control. It may be someone at in other class but who runs the same course. Then as a late starter run with the same gps unit. Use the map mode, so you&#039;ll see map of your contols (even numbered right) and your own location and track so far. Let the screen guide you to the control if you are unsure or when you think you are about to make mistake. Like this you will avoid most mistakes and will not lose time for hesitating. Easy and simple way to cheat since spring 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All the hints about getting an advantage of GPS watch during an orienteering race are welcome</i></p>
<p>Get a Forerunner 205/305. Ask your friend who starts early run with it and take splits at every control. It may be someone at in other class but who runs the same course. Then as a late starter run with the same gps unit. Use the map mode, so you&#8217;ll see map of your contols (even numbered right) and your own location and track so far. Let the screen guide you to the control if you are unsure or when you think you are about to make mistake. Like this you will avoid most mistakes and will not lose time for hesitating. Easy and simple way to cheat since spring 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Kocbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Kocbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tarmo re Jukola: The Swedish language news explicitly disallows all GPS devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tarmo re Jukola: The Swedish language news explicitly disallows all GPS devices.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
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		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) At some of these watches you have &#039;the guy in front&#039; as a pacemaker-function, but there for sure is little use for it while you got &#039;a guy in front&#039; in real orienteering life. :-)

Call me awkward, but being sophisticated towards GPS and doing so little against packs at the same time seems rather inappropriate to me.

I agree with Jakob and Anna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:-) At some of these watches you have &#8216;the guy in front&#8217; as a pacemaker-function, but there for sure is little use for it while you got &#8216;a guy in front&#8217; in real orienteering life. :-)</p>
<p>Call me awkward, but being sophisticated towards GPS and doing so little against packs at the same time seems rather inappropriate to me.</p>
<p>I agree with Jakob and Anna.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the hints about getting an advantage of GPS watch during an orienteering race are welcome. As it is still permitted in smaller competitions, I hope to get big advantage over those disadvantaged ones who doesn&#039;t have a GPS watch yet. :)

Regarding the GPS devices without the display, maybe it&#039;s possible in the future to integrate GPS receiver into the new models of SI and EMIT units.

About Jukola rule: &lt;i&gt;It is not allowed for the competitor to use his own tracking devices.&lt;/i&gt;
As this sentence is following the part of the rule where is described how the organisers will give tracking devices to the top teams, it seems logical to me that this sentence also regards only those top teams who will get organisers tracking devices.
But of course without the context it&#039;s clear enough that nothing is allowed. But the organisers know best what they meant by that rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the hints about getting an advantage of GPS watch during an orienteering race are welcome. As it is still permitted in smaller competitions, I hope to get big advantage over those disadvantaged ones who doesn&#8217;t have a GPS watch yet. :)</p>
<p>Regarding the GPS devices without the display, maybe it&#8217;s possible in the future to integrate GPS receiver into the new models of SI and EMIT units.</p>
<p>About Jukola rule: <i>It is not allowed for the competitor to use his own tracking devices.</i><br />
As this sentence is following the part of the rule where is described how the organisers will give tracking devices to the top teams, it seems logical to me that this sentence also regards only those top teams who will get organisers tracking devices.<br />
But of course without the context it&#8217;s clear enough that nothing is allowed. But the organisers know best what they meant by that rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this rule is very reasonable.  Just as quickly as you can look at a leg on a hillside and see that you have to climb 2 contours, or drop 10 contours, you can look at your watch and note your current altitude.  And GPS technology is likely to only get faster and more clever.  Orienteering is about navigating with a map and compass, and nothing else.

Because this rule only applies to IOF races you can still use your usual watch in most races and in training.  In my opinion it is more important after the race to know that the competition was fair, rather than to know what your heart-rate was or your GPS track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this rule is very reasonable.  Just as quickly as you can look at a leg on a hillside and see that you have to climb 2 contours, or drop 10 contours, you can look at your watch and note your current altitude.  And GPS technology is likely to only get faster and more clever.  Orienteering is about navigating with a map and compass, and nothing else.</p>
<p>Because this rule only applies to IOF races you can still use your usual watch in most races and in training.  In my opinion it is more important after the race to know that the competition was fair, rather than to know what your heart-rate was or your GPS track.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob Ødum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakob Ødum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 10:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all tecnological advances should be embraced as inevitable and unavoidable for the sport.

As an analogy one can think of what the new head lamps has done to night orienteering.
In my opinion night orienteering has lost its fascination as a special discipline with the use of (and the permision to use) high level lumen light bulbs.
When this was assessed by national federations it was argued that this cannot be controlled and therefore had to be permitted. (With both the argument and the conclusion being wrong).

Similarly the argument that GPS-watches exist and many people already having purchased one does not imply that we as a sport cannot decide that the use of them should be banned for the sake of protecting some fundamental values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all tecnological advances should be embraced as inevitable and unavoidable for the sport.</p>
<p>As an analogy one can think of what the new head lamps has done to night orienteering.<br />
In my opinion night orienteering has lost its fascination as a special discipline with the use of (and the permision to use) high level lumen light bulbs.<br />
When this was assessed by national federations it was argued that this cannot be controlled and therefore had to be permitted. (With both the argument and the conclusion being wrong).</p>
<p>Similarly the argument that GPS-watches exist and many people already having purchased one does not imply that we as a sport cannot decide that the use of them should be banned for the sake of protecting some fundamental values.</p>
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		<title>By: Petty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to what is stated in the first paragraph of Jan&#039;s article above, it is not permitted to run with ANY TYPE(!) of GPS tracking device at Jukola.  

See rules: http://www.jukola2009.net/english/competition_instructions/announcements/jarjestelytiedotteet/competition_instructions.html (last line of GPS TRACKING section).

...not even a logger!!!

...will we see disqualifications of those bloggers who post routes after Jukola?  Presumably once the results become &quot;official&quot; (a few hours after the race) and the protest time-limit has expired it&#039;s not possible, but if the Jukola organisers are feeling particularly evil they could do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to what is stated in the first paragraph of Jan&#8217;s article above, it is not permitted to run with ANY TYPE(!) of GPS tracking device at Jukola.  </p>
<p>See rules: <a href="http://www.jukola2009.net/english/competition_instructions/announcements/jarjestelytiedotteet/competition_instructions.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jukola2009.net/english/competition_instructions/announcements/jarjestelytiedotteet/competition_instructions.html</a> (last line of GPS TRACKING section).</p>
<p>&#8230;not even a logger!!!</p>
<p>&#8230;will we see disqualifications of those bloggers who post routes after Jukola?  Presumably once the results become &#8220;official&#8221; (a few hours after the race) and the protest time-limit has expired it&#8217;s not possible, but if the Jukola organisers are feeling particularly evil they could do it!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest to Mats Troeng that it shouldn&#039;t be too difficult to devise a cheap tamper-detect and opaque envelope in which to place a GPS watch thus rendering it to all intents and purposes a non-display model. Long live QuickRoute!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest to Mats Troeng that it shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to devise a cheap tamper-detect and opaque envelope in which to place a GPS watch thus rendering it to all intents and purposes a non-display model. Long live QuickRoute!</p>
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		<title>By: Pashtet</title>
		<link>http://news.worldofo.com/2009/05/25/new-iof-rules-no-more-gps-watches-on-wre-events/comment-page-1/#comment-70953</link>
		<dc:creator>Pashtet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With GPS receiver and separate heart rate monitor impossible get track with heart rate in Quickroute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With GPS receiver and separate heart rate monitor impossible get track with heart rate in Quickroute.</p>
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		<title>By: pikkuveli</title>
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		<dc:creator>pikkuveli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem with this rule is that for example I have already purchased a Garmin Forerunner 405, which is a heart rate monitor AND a GPS receiver. If I can&#039;t keep it with me (if I ever get to run any WRE races or if the Finnish orienteering federation decides to implement this rule also), then I have to buy a separate feart rate monitor!

A gps receiver is not that big of an investment, that is true. For around 60 €uros you&#039;ll get a myLogger that&#039;s really accurate and gives the same data as a Forerunner. Without the heart rate data of course.

In a nut shell: I want to have one device that does what I wannt! Because I already have it!

+ Every device needs it&#039;s own software and not every manufacturer support every operating system and same cables etc. I have a Macintosh computer and Garmin is by far the only wrist computer manufacturer that supports Mac OS X. Do I have to buy a new computer too to obey this rule?!

A forerunner (or similar) can&#039;t display any maps, so the gps co-ordinates are useless. I don&#039;t believe that a gps -watch can be used for cheating until someone shows me. In additions: most end-user gps receivers are not accurate enough for sprint races, nor will they find any controls for you. The sport is still orienteering and the only way to the top is by training.

I&#039;m getting pretty agitated here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem with this rule is that for example I have already purchased a Garmin Forerunner 405, which is a heart rate monitor AND a GPS receiver. If I can&#8217;t keep it with me (if I ever get to run any WRE races or if the Finnish orienteering federation decides to implement this rule also), then I have to buy a separate feart rate monitor!</p>
<p>A gps receiver is not that big of an investment, that is true. For around 60 €uros you&#8217;ll get a myLogger that&#8217;s really accurate and gives the same data as a Forerunner. Without the heart rate data of course.</p>
<p>In a nut shell: I want to have one device that does what I wannt! Because I already have it!</p>
<p>+ Every device needs it&#8217;s own software and not every manufacturer support every operating system and same cables etc. I have a Macintosh computer and Garmin is by far the only wrist computer manufacturer that supports Mac OS X. Do I have to buy a new computer too to obey this rule?!</p>
<p>A forerunner (or similar) can&#8217;t display any maps, so the gps co-ordinates are useless. I don&#8217;t believe that a gps -watch can be used for cheating until someone shows me. In additions: most end-user gps receivers are not accurate enough for sprint races, nor will they find any controls for you. The sport is still orienteering and the only way to the top is by training.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting pretty agitated here!</p>
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		<title>By: Pashtet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pashtet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody knows gps units without lcd screen with a heart rate monitor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody knows gps units without lcd screen with a heart rate monitor?</p>
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		<title>By: D.I.Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.I.Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it’s time to build an own GPS watch for orienteering purposes, like this one:

http://www.frick.nu/blog/2009/05/10/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it’s time to build an own GPS watch for orienteering purposes, like this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frick.nu/blog/2009/05/10/" rel="nofollow">http://www.frick.nu/blog/2009/05/10/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Ackland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Ackland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems inevitable.  These GPS watches (with a GPS map) will now get you clear relocation in about 20sec.  Not quite useful for the top elites, but already a reassuring back-up for WRE participants like me.  And it&#039;s obviously going to get faster as time goes on - IOF will have to ban it eventually (or accept it as a legitimate navigational tool).  So it makes sense to do it now, before someone invents a pocket-scanner to convert control circles to GPS coordinates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems inevitable.  These GPS watches (with a GPS map) will now get you clear relocation in about 20sec.  Not quite useful for the top elites, but already a reassuring back-up for WRE participants like me.  And it&#8217;s obviously going to get faster as time goes on &#8211; IOF will have to ban it eventually (or accept it as a legitimate navigational tool).  So it makes sense to do it now, before someone invents a pocket-scanner to convert control circles to GPS coordinates.</p>
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