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	<title>Comments on: WOC Long: Grouping analysis using GPS data</title>
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		<title>By: fromPlanetMars</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Here is my analysis: What we can see here is, that the expected positive effect of a separation method gets inverted by the circumstance, that the method is often related with a row of short controls in difficult terrain. We know that such a thing alters the chance of group formation with its lack of route choices and a altered probability of making mistakes. Additionally the small start intervall elevates the chance that groups build here after small mistakes provoked here.]]></description>
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<p>Here is my analysis: What we can see here is, that the expected positive effect of a separation method gets inverted by the circumstance, that the method is often related with a row of short controls in difficult terrain. We know that such a thing alters the chance of group formation with its lack of route choices and a altered probability of making mistakes. Additionally the small start intervall elevates the chance that groups build here after small mistakes provoked here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Kocbach</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Kocbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Sergei: In my opinion, it is firstly a responsibility of the organizers (i.e. longer start intervals, good spreading method, good courses with respect to spreading, etc.), but secondly also a responsibility of the athletes not to &quot;follow blindly&quot; and getting an advantage over other runners in that way. You can say that it still involves risk and is no guarantee, but I don&#039;t think it is fair against other runners if you have had a large advantage by following. However, as we found in a questionnaire, there is a different culture between runners from different countries regarding what is considered fair in this respect, and the reasoning above is my own personal opinion on the matter, probably colored by the culture in Norway about fairness.

@Simmo: IOF reintroduced 3 minute startinterval, but the organizers were allowed to keep the planned 2 minute startinterval as it was too short notice regarding their agreements/planning with TV etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sergei: In my opinion, it is firstly a responsibility of the organizers (i.e. longer start intervals, good spreading method, good courses with respect to spreading, etc.), but secondly also a responsibility of the athletes not to &#8220;follow blindly&#8221; and getting an advantage over other runners in that way. You can say that it still involves risk and is no guarantee, but I don&#8217;t think it is fair against other runners if you have had a large advantage by following. However, as we found in a questionnaire, there is a different culture between runners from different countries regarding what is considered fair in this respect, and the reasoning above is my own personal opinion on the matter, probably colored by the culture in Norway about fairness.</p>
<p>@Simmo: IOF reintroduced 3 minute startinterval, but the organizers were allowed to keep the planned 2 minute startinterval as it was too short notice regarding their agreements/planning with TV etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Simmo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely there should have been 3 minute intervals - Tambasov would not have met Hubmann and Fraser would not have met Nordberg at no. 8. Tambasov and Fraser would have had to do the long leg by themselves, and probably would have chosen path routes, not the riskier, but faster straight routes taken by Hubmann and Nordberg.  If IOF reintroduced the 3 minute interval for this year, why didn&#039;t they enforce it? Will Norway OF be penalised by IOF for not following the rules?

Re Fairness - is it fair when you have someone breathing down your neck for 60 minutes in a race?  Your concentration skills must be so much higher than for someone who is running alone, and there is a definite risk that your mind will start to think about this follower and you will make a mistake.  I have great admiration for the concentration powers of Hubmann and Nordberg - they should be given a bonus of 1 minute off their time for every 10 minutes they were being followed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely there should have been 3 minute intervals &#8211; Tambasov would not have met Hubmann and Fraser would not have met Nordberg at no. 8. Tambasov and Fraser would have had to do the long leg by themselves, and probably would have chosen path routes, not the riskier, but faster straight routes taken by Hubmann and Nordberg.  If IOF reintroduced the 3 minute interval for this year, why didn&#8217;t they enforce it? Will Norway OF be penalised by IOF for not following the rules?</p>
<p>Re Fairness &#8211; is it fair when you have someone breathing down your neck for 60 minutes in a race?  Your concentration skills must be so much higher than for someone who is running alone, and there is a definite risk that your mind will start to think about this follower and you will make a mistake.  I have great admiration for the concentration powers of Hubmann and Nordberg &#8211; they should be given a bonus of 1 minute off their time for every 10 minutes they were being followed!</p>
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		<title>By: Sergei</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 01:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People need to stop whining about following.  Bashing athletes won&#039;t accomplish anything.  Longer start intervals will.  How about the advantage of later starters over the earlier ones?  Should these runners pick different approach to a control as to avoid tracks left by earlier runners?  Following someone, even a good orienteer, still involves risk and is not a guarantee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to stop whining about following.  Bashing athletes won&#8217;t accomplish anything.  Longer start intervals will.  How about the advantage of later starters over the earlier ones?  Should these runners pick different approach to a control as to avoid tracks left by earlier runners?  Following someone, even a good orienteer, still involves risk and is not a guarantee.</p>
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