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	<title>Comments on: EOC Sprint 2016: Maps and Results</title>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With regard to your last statement: you do realize that &quot;international orienteering event&quot; is not equal to &quot;IOF sanctioned event&quot;? So it&#039;s not necessarily the IOF that &quot;needs to fix this&quot;! But anyway, it looks like you weren&#039;t watching the TV streams from ESOC 2015 and 2016 then... (among others that come to my mind)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to your last statement: you do realize that &#8220;international orienteering event&#8221; is not equal to &#8220;IOF sanctioned event&#8221;? So it&#8217;s not necessarily the IOF that &#8220;needs to fix this&#8221;! But anyway, it looks like you weren&#8217;t watching the TV streams from ESOC 2015 and 2016 then&#8230; (among others that come to my mind)</p>
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		<title>By: Øystein Grøvlen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Øystein Grøvlen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2016 10:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;one working interface for split times AND finish times&quot; has been solved in other sports long time ago, so why reinvent the wheel?   

I am not convinced that things are less complex if same system is used for both punch control and timing.  Anyhow, separate systems can be integrated with a layer of software.  There should be no need to do the timing differently than in other sports.

&quot;Live&quot; events have different requirements than ordinary orienteering races.   That electronic punching works for timekeeping in most races does not mean that it is best solution for international events.

With respect to TVgraphics,  I have yet to see an international orienteering event where they have managed to stop the clock at the finish line with the correct time.   It has been like this for years.  Why has it not been possible for IOF to take the necessary actions to fix this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;one working interface for split times AND finish times&#8221; has been solved in other sports long time ago, so why reinvent the wheel?   </p>
<p>I am not convinced that things are less complex if same system is used for both punch control and timing.  Anyhow, separate systems can be integrated with a layer of software.  There should be no need to do the timing differently than in other sports.</p>
<p>&#8220;Live&#8221; events have different requirements than ordinary orienteering races.   That electronic punching works for timekeeping in most races does not mean that it is best solution for international events.</p>
<p>With respect to TVgraphics,  I have yet to see an international orienteering event where they have managed to stop the clock at the finish line with the correct time.   It has been like this for years.  Why has it not been possible for IOF to take the necessary actions to fix this?</p>
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		<title>By: BjornG</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BjornG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2016 06:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, for competitive integrity this is what&#039;s needed: Assurance that runners pass controls in correct order, correct timing from start to finish line. Other stuff is Maslovian &quot;cream on top of the cake&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for competitive integrity this is what&#8217;s needed: Assurance that runners pass controls in correct order, correct timing from start to finish line. Other stuff is Maslovian &#8220;cream on top of the cake&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Leibundgut</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Leibundgut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2016 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Answering Jan&#039;s questions: Camera angle may be an issue, if it&#039;s like the cam position I captured from TV stream: https://twitter.com/dleibund/status/734650663632785408  More reliable would be using a lateral and a frontal camera shown here on slide 17: http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IOF_HLES2014_IT_Daniel-Leibundgut.pdf with the picture-in-picture video-recording.
To explain the time differences of around 2 seconds you mentioned, exact technical details of the timing setup used at EOC2016 is required (neither EOC2016-Bulletin4 say something). 

In general the main issue is always, that you - as a timekeeper - have to merge a) start times (if a starte gate is used), b) split times (from the punching system) and c) finish times (from photo cells) to get the full results of a competition. It would be easier for organizers if it&#039;s allowed to use only one system for punch control and timing (less complex). Up to date, the punching systems have no IOF approval for timing at WOC, JWOC, WCup etc. On the other side in «public orienteering races» it&#039;s state of the art, all over the world to use electronic punching for timekeeping too.

«has worked for ages» ... all you need is synchronized clocks.....it&#039;s true but not sufficient today. Even for the synchronized clocks you need experienced stuff to handle it correctly and just in time. Today, you as a timekeeper have to provide the official results (including all the split times from each control) mostly before all the athletes has crossed the finish line ;-) and don&#039;t forget in the «new age» you wan&#039;t to have TVgraphics. There you have to provide one working interface for split times AND finish times and not different technologies. 

To improve quality: reduce complexity and use experienced teams!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering Jan&#8217;s questions: Camera angle may be an issue, if it&#8217;s like the cam position I captured from TV stream: <a href="https://twitter.com/dleibund/status/734650663632785408" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dleibund/status/734650663632785408</a>  More reliable would be using a lateral and a frontal camera shown here on slide 17: <a href="http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IOF_HLES2014_IT_Daniel-Leibundgut.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IOF_HLES2014_IT_Daniel-Leibundgut.pdf</a> with the picture-in-picture video-recording.<br />
To explain the time differences of around 2 seconds you mentioned, exact technical details of the timing setup used at EOC2016 is required (neither EOC2016-Bulletin4 say something). </p>
<p>In general the main issue is always, that you &#8211; as a timekeeper &#8211; have to merge a) start times (if a starte gate is used), b) split times (from the punching system) and c) finish times (from photo cells) to get the full results of a competition. It would be easier for organizers if it&#8217;s allowed to use only one system for punch control and timing (less complex). Up to date, the punching systems have no IOF approval for timing at WOC, JWOC, WCup etc. On the other side in «public orienteering races» it&#8217;s state of the art, all over the world to use electronic punching for timekeeping too.</p>
<p>«has worked for ages» &#8230; all you need is synchronized clocks&#8230;..it&#8217;s true but not sufficient today. Even for the synchronized clocks you need experienced stuff to handle it correctly and just in time. Today, you as a timekeeper have to provide the official results (including all the split times from each control) mostly before all the athletes has crossed the finish line ;-) and don&#8217;t forget in the «new age» you wan&#8217;t to have TVgraphics. There you have to provide one working interface for split times AND finish times and not different technologies. </p>
<p>To improve quality: reduce complexity and use experienced teams!</p>
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