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	<title>Comments on: Route to Christmas: Day 8 2019</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunatly the new underpass symbol will not help a lot, since its to narrow for it. At least thats my impression. With the new bridge symbol wich takes a lot of space already (because its 0.4mm wide) you often end up with quite narrow passages. But the new ISprOM2019 has this passage as bonus: &quot;If underpasses under bridges are to be used in a competition, they shall be emphasized
with the symbol Crossing point (710.1) or Crossing section (710.2).&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunatly the new underpass symbol will not help a lot, since its to narrow for it. At least thats my impression. With the new bridge symbol wich takes a lot of space already (because its 0.4mm wide) you often end up with quite narrow passages. But the new ISprOM2019 has this passage as bonus: &#8220;If underpasses under bridges are to be used in a competition, they shall be emphasized<br />
with the symbol Crossing point (710.1) or Crossing section (710.2).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Kocbach</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Kocbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks a lot for the added information, Simon. I assumed that there was good information about this in the Bulletin (and I guess I should have included it as pre-information before asking people to solve the leg; thanks for the link). 

About ISSproM: Yes, it was the multilevel-symbol I thought about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for the added information, Simon. I assumed that there was good information about this in the Bulletin (and I guess I should have included it as pre-information before asking people to solve the leg; thanks for the link). </p>
<p>About ISSproM: Yes, it was the multilevel-symbol I thought about.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Hector</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As map maker and course setter, I would like to give my opinion. After a lot of consideration and discussions with my map controller I decided it would be sad to not be able to use such interesting areas, and instead I wrote clearly in the bulletin how 3D-areas in general are represented and how some specific bridges and tunnels are drawn, so that it would be fair for all runners: https://eventor.orientering.se/Documents/Event/47150/3/Bulletin--2---Final-information-WRE-and-Elite-Classes (there you can also find pictures of the bridge on the route to control 2)

The bridges were definitely difficult to represent. I made them very much wider on the map than in real life, but still didn&#039;t have space for more than one or two underpass dots, which just looked confusing instead of helpful. Instead I decided to skip underpass dots on the thin bridges (as could be seen in the bulletin), but use it at this specific bridge to clarify that there are in fact three levels (only two on top of each other). As this bridge was very special and not too easy to understand from the map either way I drew it, I decided for this solution together with my map controller and clarified it with map excerpt and pictures in the bulletin.

By the way, I am not sure that the new ISSprOM will be only helpful in these cases as the outline of a bridge will be 0,4 mm, as thick as an impassable wall or an impassable fence, which easily gives you the illusion that you should not pass it. However, I think the new multilevel symbol will help for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As map maker and course setter, I would like to give my opinion. After a lot of consideration and discussions with my map controller I decided it would be sad to not be able to use such interesting areas, and instead I wrote clearly in the bulletin how 3D-areas in general are represented and how some specific bridges and tunnels are drawn, so that it would be fair for all runners: <a href="https://eventor.orientering.se/Documents/Event/47150/3/Bulletin--2---Final-information-WRE-and-Elite-Classes" rel="nofollow">https://eventor.orientering.se/Documents/Event/47150/3/Bulletin&#8211;2&#8212;Final-information-WRE-and-Elite-Classes</a> (there you can also find pictures of the bridge on the route to control 2)</p>
<p>The bridges were definitely difficult to represent. I made them very much wider on the map than in real life, but still didn&#8217;t have space for more than one or two underpass dots, which just looked confusing instead of helpful. Instead I decided to skip underpass dots on the thin bridges (as could be seen in the bulletin), but use it at this specific bridge to clarify that there are in fact three levels (only two on top of each other). As this bridge was very special and not too easy to understand from the map either way I drew it, I decided for this solution together with my map controller and clarified it with map excerpt and pictures in the bulletin.</p>
<p>By the way, I am not sure that the new ISSprOM will be only helpful in these cases as the outline of a bridge will be 0,4 mm, as thick as an impassable wall or an impassable fence, which easily gives you the illusion that you should not pass it. However, I think the new multilevel symbol will help for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Kocbach</title>
		<link>http://news.worldofo.com/2019/12/08/route-to-christmas-day-8-2019/#comment-130399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Kocbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment, Peter. I would also have expected black dots on both sides to know for certain that there is a way through. I suppose that with the new ISSOM it should be easier to draw this kind of situation in an understandable way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Peter. I would also have expected black dots on both sides to know for certain that there is a way through. I suppose that with the new ISSOM it should be easier to draw this kind of situation in an understandable way?</p>
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