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	<title>Comments on: Route to Christmas: Day 22 2010</title>
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		<title>By: Terje Mathisen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terje Mathisen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want second most of Ivar&#039;s comments, and add one of my own:

The &quot;best&quot; route choice has to balance speed vs risk, right?

With 100% GPS tracking we can determine, for each runner, how fast they were on average, by taking their relative speed (vs the fastest runner) on their medium position leg.

I.e. if you have a few very fast legs, and a few relatively slow legs, and the majority around 10-20&#039;th position, then we can take that 15&#039;th position speed (maybe 5% down from the leg winner?) as the base speed of that runner, right?

At this point we can then determine how much each runner have lost due to mistakes on each leg, and allocate each mistake to a given route choice, and get a measure of the average loss due to misses for each alternative.

Adding this to the calculated optimum time for each route choice gives the _expected_ time, which is quite likely to be higher for a risky, direct route choice than a safer &amp; easier alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want second most of Ivar&#8217;s comments, and add one of my own:</p>
<p>The &#8220;best&#8221; route choice has to balance speed vs risk, right?</p>
<p>With 100% GPS tracking we can determine, for each runner, how fast they were on average, by taking their relative speed (vs the fastest runner) on their medium position leg.</p>
<p>I.e. if you have a few very fast legs, and a few relatively slow legs, and the majority around 10-20&#8217;th position, then we can take that 15&#8217;th position speed (maybe 5% down from the leg winner?) as the base speed of that runner, right?</p>
<p>At this point we can then determine how much each runner have lost due to mistakes on each leg, and allocate each mistake to a given route choice, and get a measure of the average loss due to misses for each alternative.</p>
<p>Adding this to the calculated optimum time for each route choice gives the _expected_ time, which is quite likely to be higher for a risky, direct route choice than a safer &amp; easier alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivar M (national controller WOC2010)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another very nice tool for analysis, Jan! With as much GPS-data as available here, the results become reliable to a high extent.
I still have to comment some of the content in the text. I hope that the most of us in the &quot;orienteering community&quot; are able to see the difference between choice of terrain and quality of course-setting. I find it very un-fair that the course-setters of the middle distance over and over have to take the blame for the decisision of having that final in this area. I think that the leg analyzed in this article is a good example of how a fair, but decisive leg could be, and show that they made a solid work.

From the spread of the route-choices, we see that there are a lot of alternatives, both on micro and macro level, and the split times show that some are significantly better than others. 
You comment that the path going up the hill on the eastern route choice is slow, and as this is not a path, but a &#039;narrow ride&#039; (symbol 509), the runability is not better than the area the ride runs through.
One of the key ideas of course-setting is that legs should be &quot;visually&quot; balanced, but still require different time and skills on the different route-choises. By moving control 7 east to(wards) the open area, most of the runners would probably prefer the eastern choice (with a simple entrance to the control), even if the leg then is balanced in time. (It was many enough of simple &quot;TV-controls&quot; already decided...)
This shows that this tool is more (and excellent!) for analysis than course-setting.
Keep up the good work, Jan!
..and Merry Christmas to you all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another very nice tool for analysis, Jan! With as much GPS-data as available here, the results become reliable to a high extent.<br />
I still have to comment some of the content in the text. I hope that the most of us in the &#8220;orienteering community&#8221; are able to see the difference between choice of terrain and quality of course-setting. I find it very un-fair that the course-setters of the middle distance over and over have to take the blame for the decisision of having that final in this area. I think that the leg analyzed in this article is a good example of how a fair, but decisive leg could be, and show that they made a solid work.</p>
<p>From the spread of the route-choices, we see that there are a lot of alternatives, both on micro and macro level, and the split times show that some are significantly better than others.<br />
You comment that the path going up the hill on the eastern route choice is slow, and as this is not a path, but a &#8216;narrow ride&#8217; (symbol 509), the runability is not better than the area the ride runs through.<br />
One of the key ideas of course-setting is that legs should be &#8220;visually&#8221; balanced, but still require different time and skills on the different route-choises. By moving control 7 east to(wards) the open area, most of the runners would probably prefer the eastern choice (with a simple entrance to the control), even if the leg then is balanced in time. (It was many enough of simple &#8220;TV-controls&#8221; already decided&#8230;)<br />
This shows that this tool is more (and excellent!) for analysis than course-setting.<br />
Keep up the good work, Jan!<br />
..and Merry Christmas to you all!</p>
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		<title>By: Puttemans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Puttemans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For example, for the first part of the leg the runnability seems to be a lot better just below the hill than on the hill-top (the spot where we earlier saw that Gueorgiou lost time).&quot;

So was the map bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For example, for the first part of the leg the runnability seems to be a lot better just below the hill than on the hill-top (the spot where we earlier saw that Gueorgiou lost time).&#8221;</p>
<p>So was the map bad?</p>
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