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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>https://news.worldofo.com/2008/08/31/grouping-norwegian-champs-long-distance/#comment-70582</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this type of graph is VERY useful to understand the amount and type of interaction during a competition. The personal competitions-pack-history of all runners can be read very easily.  My congratulations Henning! (b.t.w. I think that was the first appearance of Jan and Henning in such a graph :-) Does the graph represent your own perception well?)

I would be intrested in more detailed data as &#039;Total Time in Packs&#039; and &#039;Average duration of a pack&#039; for every runner. Here in this graph we have still the problem, that the short (t.ex. 11th Control) and long legs (12th control) are represented by the same space, which is a little corrupting the visual impression.

I played around a little with the &#039;split-ability&#039; of certain controls (for ex. to be compared with separation methods as Phi- or Butterfly-Loops). As written in my last post I made a small analysis of this competition based on Hennings graph.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arua.ch/bilder/081008_grafik.png&quot; title=&quot;Analysis Norwegian Champs 2008 Men Long&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; (quite high flucutaion of the packs composition) &lt;/a&gt;

and for the fun of it the same of my &#039;favourite competition&#039;, the this years EOC Men Long Final...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arua.ch/bilder/081008_grafik_eoc.png&quot; title=&quot;Analysis EOC 2008 Men Long&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; (long second leg does no splitting due to no packs, butterfly does some splitting, but most packs form after BF and quite little fluctuation after that). &lt;/a&gt;

Anyway the longer I think about, I try to keep in mind, that it is the startintervall and the reverse start order defining the &#039;densitiy of runners&#039;, plus it is the start order that assures that &#039;once met, hardly separated&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this type of graph is VERY useful to understand the amount and type of interaction during a competition. The personal competitions-pack-history of all runners can be read very easily.  My congratulations Henning! (b.t.w. I think that was the first appearance of Jan and Henning in such a graph :-) Does the graph represent your own perception well?)</p>
<p>I would be intrested in more detailed data as &#8216;Total Time in Packs&#8217; and &#8216;Average duration of a pack&#8217; for every runner. Here in this graph we have still the problem, that the short (t.ex. 11th Control) and long legs (12th control) are represented by the same space, which is a little corrupting the visual impression.</p>
<p>I played around a little with the &#8216;split-ability&#8217; of certain controls (for ex. to be compared with separation methods as Phi- or Butterfly-Loops). As written in my last post I made a small analysis of this competition based on Hennings graph.<br />
<a href="http://www.arua.ch/bilder/081008_grafik.png" title="Analysis Norwegian Champs 2008 Men Long" rel="nofollow"> (quite high flucutaion of the packs composition) </a></p>
<p>and for the fun of it the same of my &#8216;favourite competition&#8217;, the this years EOC Men Long Final&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.arua.ch/bilder/081008_grafik_eoc.png" title="Analysis EOC 2008 Men Long" rel="nofollow"> (long second leg does no splitting due to no packs, butterfly does some splitting, but most packs form after BF and quite little fluctuation after that). </a></p>
<p>Anyway the longer I think about, I try to keep in mind, that it is the startintervall and the reverse start order defining the &#8216;densitiy of runners&#8217;, plus it is the start order that assures that &#8216;once met, hardly separated&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the mens race: Compared to the EOC Long it appears to me, that there is a significant difference in &#039;the life expectance&#039; of a &#039;pack&#039;. That means, that yes, there where many catch ups in this open terrain, but the packs did not last forever (?)... additionally it seems that there are not so significant differences in &#039;total pack time&#039; per runner ... and finally it does not seem that the top 3 had some real big advantage out of packing (note that the last nine controls were rather short) maybe Lundanes a little bit, but who cares :-).

I will show later that the long legs to the 4, 6, 7 and 12 all worked great to separate packs (percentages between 50 and 70 percent) where probably the reverse start order lead to pack-percentages of 50% up to 62% in the second half of the race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the mens race: Compared to the EOC Long it appears to me, that there is a significant difference in &#8216;the life expectance&#8217; of a &#8216;pack&#8217;. That means, that yes, there where many catch ups in this open terrain, but the packs did not last forever (?)&#8230; additionally it seems that there are not so significant differences in &#8216;total pack time&#8217; per runner &#8230; and finally it does not seem that the top 3 had some real big advantage out of packing (note that the last nine controls were rather short) maybe Lundanes a little bit, but who cares :-).</p>
<p>I will show later that the long legs to the 4, 6, 7 and 12 all worked great to separate packs (percentages between 50 and 70 percent) where probably the reverse start order lead to pack-percentages of 50% up to 62% in the second half of the race.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>https://news.worldofo.com/2008/08/31/grouping-norwegian-champs-long-distance/#comment-70580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ML]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.worldofo.com/2008/05/29/grouping-runners-eoc-long-final/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might check out <a href="http://news.worldofo.com/2008/05/29/grouping-runners-eoc-long-final/" rel="nofollow">this post</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomek Pabich</title>
		<link>https://news.worldofo.com/2008/08/31/grouping-norwegian-champs-long-distance/#comment-70579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomek Pabich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Can I ask for a brief description of what does this table represent and what do certain colors mean?

Thanks,

Cheers,
Tomek]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Can I ask for a brief description of what does this table represent and what do certain colors mean?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Tomek</p>
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